Ahmed is in San Francisco for his first ever visit! As well as attending the San Francisco Blockchain Week, Ahmed set some time to explore a bit of SF and also spent time interviewing one of the pioneers of blockchain technology in SF; Matthew Liu from Origin Protocol.

In this episode, the pair discuss:

* Matt’s experience and key lessons as a product manager at Youtube in its early days

* Matt’s ups and downs in entrepreneurship

* What it takes to be a real entrepreneur

* Why Origin is building a platform for decentralised marketplaces

* How incentivisation functions in Origin

* Real practical use cases

* Differences in the business models between open sourcing your tech (tokens) vs keeping it private (equity)

* Culture and personality around delivering impact

They also discuss the race to digital supremacy between the U.S. and China!

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Special Guest: Matthew Liu.